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I tired myself out yesterday by failing to take a nap in favour of working on my green linen jacket. 


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findlaech
Jun. 3rd, 2008 03:36 pm (UTC)
Hmm, today when guys seize ships at gunpoint, steal cargo, raid, murder, pillage, etc., we call themn "terrorists." I have to wonder if 400 years from now the "Pirates of the Carribean" ride will be replaced with "Terrorists of the Middle East"? Johnny Depp as Osama?
attack_laurel
Jun. 3rd, 2008 03:56 pm (UTC)
They will still have lace-up frilly shirts...
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irishyogini
Jun. 3rd, 2008 03:56 pm (UTC)
Hi! I'm a friend of silverstah's and she pointed here in a post. I read this entry and was fascinated. I mean, I've always loved history, but for the sheer sometimes gruesomeness of it. The idea of how people smelled, that their skin would most likely not be milky white, that they would not have shiny, white teeth, and most certainly not all of them. I mean, drinking *water* was almost unheard of, let alone taking a bath.

Anyway, I wanted to ask you about the recent-ish film Marie Antoinette with Kirsten Dunst. You wrote that they did not wear dull colors. Did they wear fluorescent pink? Did they wear electric blue? I ask, because as I was watching that (awful, awful) movie, the colors of the constuming really bothered me. I know they wore bright colors, but fluorescent yellow? Just curious as to your thoughts...
sarahbellem
Jun. 3rd, 2008 04:07 pm (UTC)
I'm going to address this one, if Laura doesn't mind... ;)

The difference between reality and movies is not something we should ever confuse. While Marie Antoinette did a beautiful job of constructing 18th century court costume, it was still focused on bringing the 21st century aesthetic forward, and that meant bright, eye-popping colors, stylized "18th century" hairdoes, modern speech with American accents, etc. It is a fantasy piece, and nowhere did it ever make any claims to being anything else. Sophia Copola was extremely clear on that from the get-go... She wanted to convey a mood that she felt had parallels to the 1980s, and that's really it. She did consult with Antonia Fraiser, the current MA expert, but it was just to get the feel of the piece, not to get the actual history right (which it doesn't. It mangles MA's history about as much as Kapur mangled Queen Elizabeth I's history).
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gwacie
Jun. 3rd, 2008 04:06 pm (UTC)
On the colors thing.. you know, they thought it looked good then, and there are folks who think it looks good now. Chances are if it appealed to someone in 1550, it'll appeal to someone today (and same with 1750 and 1450 too). Thinking of the lovely avocado-marigold-orange combos of the 1970s and the teal and pink of the 1980s... yeah, these color combos will come back, and just as they had appeal then, they'll get appeal now.
tudorlady
Jun. 3rd, 2008 05:01 pm (UTC)
Squee!!!

You gave the axe to LENNIE, aka Mr. Destructo???

::ponders the notion that all that would be left of TudorHouse would be some beams and hairballs::

Thank you so much. I have to show this to officerjudy - inasmuch as Lennie is her baby. And this is going on my info page as soon as I get a minute.

xoxoxoxo
attack_laurel
Jun. 4th, 2008 10:07 am (UTC)
All for you, my dear. :)
isabelladangelo
Jun. 3rd, 2008 05:02 pm (UTC)
Must see pretty pink and green paired up. I love those colors together.

Will bring (wear) at Pennsic?
attack_laurel
Jun. 4th, 2008 10:07 am (UTC)
I plan to have it finished by Storvik Novice.
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splagxna
Jun. 3rd, 2008 05:26 pm (UTC)
pondering
v. interesting post. i don't disagree with your theory of the eye, etc, but i wonder about the application of these ideas. eg - i usually try to wear something on my head; however, esp if the weather is warm and it's something close around my neck, it tends to drive me crazy and i often end up giving up halfway thru the event - choosing comfort over authenticity. (admittedly some of this may be because i am not primarily a costumer so am more willing to sacrifice there.)

taking it a step further - not everyone is in the sca for the authenticity. not that it should be ignored, but i wonder how high the standards should be for those that join for primarily social reasons - if someone wants to choose pretty over authentic, isn't that their decision? [i do think it should be an /informed/ decision - i.e. you ought to know the rules before you break them....]
acanthusleaf
Jun. 3rd, 2008 05:36 pm (UTC)
Re: pondering
Sure, it's their decision. And contrary to what many people think, the Laurels are not going to gang up on someone for being less than awesome in their dress.

However, this journal and many others focuses on how to be fabulous in a historical way, so that's the point of view you will find promoted here. If you're not interested in being more historic than you are already (and none of us is perfect yet, but we're working on it. :-)) you may find it tedious to read about.
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salviati
Jun. 3rd, 2008 06:02 pm (UTC)
"(Actually, I usually can tell that someone is ready for a Laurel when they're willing to wear something that directly clashes with modern beauty "ideals". If they're up for crazy hairdos and strange adornments, then they have the coveted "eye".)"

I have no idea what you're talking about.
chargirlgenius
Jun. 3rd, 2008 06:15 pm (UTC)
Me neither.
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zarhooie
Jun. 3rd, 2008 07:36 pm (UTC)
This was one of your finer rants, I must say. However, in defense of the n00bs, it is difficult to find information on what your hair is supposed to look like when you don't know where to look, or, perhaps more directly, if you don't know that you're *supposed* to look. There are resources unending, once you know where they've been stuck.

Kat, who has spent the last 4 months trying to re-find a resource that had period examples of short and 3/4 sleeved cotehardies.
attack_laurel
Jun. 4th, 2008 10:21 am (UTC)
I don't know - assuming one finds a picture of what one wants to wear - wouldn't the hairdo of the person in the painting be the one to follow? Or something similar...

ETA: Hats are where most people balk - they're intimidating at first blush, but there is actually quite a bit of good information available on-line.

If you can't find the pictures you're looking for, ask online - I know that at least a couple of my treaders have been doing that kind of research, too, and may have some useful info.

I'm a bit wierded out by the people who assume I think people should be perfect right out of the gate at their first event - it makes me sound like they think I'm an asshole who can't understand that people learn over time. I thought it was understood that this sort of thing is what experienced people should be keeping in mind as they expand their knowledge.



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eleanors_closet
Jun. 3rd, 2008 09:20 pm (UTC)
I have some fantastic purple wool I'm going to overdye with some navy. Hopefully it will be "bluer" than "purple" at the end of it. But then the trim ... what color I ponder. Most combinations my mondern mind comes up with seem ... well... modern. Blue and yellow - hello space cadet. Blue and pink would be cool .... or pale green. See you've helped the world already.
attack_laurel
Jun. 4th, 2008 12:01 pm (UTC)
Yes, thank you, I am made of awesome. 8P
albreda
Jun. 3rd, 2008 10:32 pm (UTC)
Any suggestions on how to develop the 'eye' for early period personae?
attack_laurel
Jun. 4th, 2008 10:23 am (UTC)
Images. Artifacts. As many as you can collect pictures of. Writings, translations, anything you can find. It's like learning a language - immersion is the best method.
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florentinescot
Jun. 3rd, 2008 10:47 pm (UTC)
which is green with rose pink trim.
But I like pink and green together ......
attack_laurel
Jun. 4th, 2008 10:23 am (UTC)
Me too - it's very bright, though, not pale pink and green, which seems more common today. :)

It will look gorgeous.
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pinkdiamond
Jun. 3rd, 2008 11:14 pm (UTC)
Which brings me back to my jacket, which is green with rose pink trim. Because they had it. And they used it. And I'm sick of people spreading the misinformation that people wore dull boring colours.

Green and pink, love that combination :)

One of my first SCA ensembles was a blue and orange "Kampfrau". Now that I focus on Cleves and Cologne post reformation I am stuck in a lot of black and blue ;)

The flip side to all the pretty over period issue is the perception that anything late period and pretty is frivolous and not as worthy as earlier period. Again uttered by people with no "eye". They can't seem to see the difference between, say, your work and the work of Hollywood.

(Actually, I usually can tell that someone is ready for a Laurel when they're willing to wear something that directly clashes with modern beauty "ideals". If they're up for crazy hairdos and strange adornments, then they have the coveted "eye".

People often comment that I look strange when out of garb. Much as I love my long red hair it gets plaited and covered in fitted hauben and headdresses. And silly folds of linen during the day.
albreda
Jun. 4th, 2008 01:59 pm (UTC)
"The flip side to all the pretty over period issue is the perception that anything late period and pretty is frivolous and not as worthy as earlier period."

Can I come live in YOUR Kingdom? I can't tell you how many early period folks I know who have constructed one late period outfit, just to prove that they could, so folks would then take them seriously!
fiberferret
Jun. 4th, 2008 01:10 am (UTC)
I've been told that it's somewhere in the rules that the Queen must wear makeup at all times (I've also been told that Monarchs are supposed to pick one time/place and dress in that style for their entire reign) Any idea if these horrid rumors are true? The makeup one makes me hurt (if they did makeup in the style to match their garb, okay, but few people actually do that, and even when they do, like you said, the "look" they create is still usually modern)
damedini
Jun. 4th, 2008 02:20 am (UTC)
Um, are you being sarcastic? I hope? The Queen, as any other SCA participant must wear an attempt at pre-17th century clothing. One hopes that she does better than a mere attempt.
Kings as well. Many royal pairs portray personas from disparate times and places and continue to wear that clothing, or not, as they please.
Whomever told you these things is wrong.
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damedini
Jun. 4th, 2008 02:18 am (UTC)
Speaking of which... got any pictorial evidence for bright pink? I know it's available from lichens, but I don't recall ever /seeing/ it worn. Mind, there may be a mental disconnect in operation here. New job, no sleep, other stress.
attack_laurel
Jun. 4th, 2008 10:25 am (UTC)
There's an awesome cotehardie/fitted dress picture somewhere that's completely fuschia... I don't have picures to hand, but I can see what I can scare up.
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kass_rants
Jun. 4th, 2008 11:04 am (UTC)
I just read this. Sorry. Was a bit busy this week.

You are my hero.
attack_laurel
Jun. 4th, 2008 12:03 pm (UTC)
Aw, love you too, babe. Your letter was teh awesome.

*mutual admiration society*
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