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At some point, I may learn that I am going to by physically strained by demo'ing knitting two days in a row, but I'm too stubborn to give it up yet.  I've already given up a lot, so I will fight this.  A couple of days of lidocaine patches, some meds and some extra sleep, and I'll be fine.


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May. 5th, 2008 03:37 pm (UTC)
Re: Were you born nuts lady?
I'm willing to bet it was - she was certainly treating my display like I was a shop and/or teaching a class, and how dare I not have stuff available for the asking?!. :)
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May. 5th, 2008 03:57 pm (UTC)
Re: Were you born nuts lady?
Thanks! They're a bit obnoxious, but so cool. :)
May. 5th, 2008 03:27 pm (UTC)
The petticoat lacing thing...
Dude, you guys are brilliant. :)

I think I've decided on a therapeutic project for me in my invalidity: Hand sewn stays. No project deadline, it gets done when it gets done, and I get to stay creatively focused. Because middle class late Elizabethan cures all, right?
May. 5th, 2008 03:39 pm (UTC)
Re: The petticoat lacing thing...
It absolutely does. :)

I want to go all Eddie Izzard - "ah, I like my women like I like my corsets - the curve of the corset, the curve of your waist..."

"...oh, you're the President of Burundi? Oh. Look, I have to go - my Grandmother is on fire..."
May. 5th, 2008 03:43 pm (UTC)
You did look so beautiful! I also like the added benefit that your skirt split is hidden under the front point of your bodies!
May. 5th, 2008 03:56 pm (UTC)
Even better than that - because it is laced into the bodies rather than tied tight so it doesn't slip around the waist, the front falls flat, and so while the split goes way below the front of the bodies, it doesn't gap.

Physics. I love physics. :)
May. 5th, 2008 04:28 pm (UTC)
This whole lacing-skirts-to-bodice is very refreshing. Can you write an article on it????

In Kentwell we have the House policy saying that later Elizabethan ladies (working ones) have SEPARATE skirts to bodices. (Sometimes applies to gentry too but that is now changing thank goodness!).

Yep - ok, there are different coloured skirts to bodices. Problem is, no one connects the to each other. So I then continually wince seeing working women when bending over getting that horrendous GAPPAGE between bodice and skirt and seeing ever increasing amounts of smock coming out. Which NEVER gets tucked in. I also see ladies getting continually frustrated with their petticoats or skirts always moving round. (Just like ruffs continually "telling us the time" - point or pin them to the collar for God's sake PLEASE!)

Therefore, I always always suggest that either their point the skirt to the bodice (never happens! Or if it does its ONE MEASLY PAIR at the back!) or I say stitch the bodice to the skirt!

I think I shall adapt the gorgeous corset that sarahbellem made for me and the old silk petticoat that matches it and add lacing holes 'cos I have got fed up with having to continually move the hooks and bars on the waistband (which I have to say I HATE using!).

Hmmm - another costume task to add the long list I have before Kentwell this year!!!
May. 5th, 2008 05:23 pm (UTC)
I am planning it in my head as we speak. :)

It seems like almost every museum has a too-conservative costume department and/or people who won't follow the rules; I got a wild dose of confidence yesterday while talking with someone about the trouble they have with their living history museum's costume department (which is usually one person) and offered up that I could consult for them if they wanted - I do it at Jamestown every now and then. :)

I always thought costume consulting for small museums would be such a cool job, but rather sporadic employment.
May. 6th, 2008 12:24 pm (UTC)
And it is *precisely* that 'stuffing sticking out' effect that made me run screaming from late period garb all the way back to *maybe* just post-Norman Conquest!

All of this talk is making me think of giving my bodies another chance, but, alas, all of the ones I have are from pre-baby spread!
May. 5th, 2008 09:23 pm (UTC)
A contemporary reference to a petticoat being held up with points:

"It was the mischance of a homely maide, that belike, was but newly crept into the fashion of long wasted peticotes tyde with points, & had, as it seemed but one point tyed before, and comming vnluckily in my way, as I was fetching a leape, it fell out that I set my foote on her skirts: the point eyther breaking or stretching, off fell her peticoate from her waste,"

From Kemps nine daies wonder, printed 1600.
May. 5th, 2008 09:30 pm (UTC)
One day I'll remember everything I intended to say... Anyhow, I thought this quote was interesting because it implies that petticoats are held up with multiple points, but if there's only one then it's one point "tyed before". One assumes that means at centre-front, where the lacing is likely to be.

It's far from conclusive, but it seems to suggest that centre-front is the least 'optional' of all lacing points. Which I think adds a feather of weight to your theory.

It's also interesting because it links the need to tie the skirt with points to the change in fashion to a long-waisted garment.
May. 7th, 2008 11:07 am (UTC)
Yup, Drea Leed brought that one up a couple of posts ago - it's being mentioned (along with a lot of other contemporary accounts) in the article.

May. 6th, 2008 04:36 am (UTC)
Extreme Costuming Site Question
You seem to be a laurel who knows most about trim and decor of the Elizabethan sort.

My question pertaining to your vast wisdom is this really long winded one: I want to make a loose gown. Vaguely between Italian and English of the late 1500's. More early 1600's. I want to use the over all Elizabethan trim technique where one would usually use a damask base, emphasize the diagonal spacing, and then put some pearly beaded goodness in the center of each motif. Is this done in period withOUT the damask? And on a loose gown?

To give you more of an idea of the whole thing: It shall be red, it shall be fur lined. It shall have a high collar, detachable hanging sleeves and tabbed or epaulet-ed/winged shoulders. Whichever term is more period. The gowns with the pleated back and sides.

Please email back at octaviavongrey@aol.com Thank you
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