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This makes me hiccup with horror... (TW)

(TW for sexual assault)

Those full body scanners that take a photo of your naked body that the TSA said weren't being saved?

Yeah. turns out, they lied.

quelle suprise, no?

It seems more and more like we're not really going to be given a choice about our privacy being egregiously violated any more.   If I want to see my family, I have to fly.  Any other mode of transportation is not really a choice.  And as a sexual assault survivor who hates even incidental body contact from strangers, this is a nightmare that is even now, right this minute, giving me a panic attack.

I should not be electronically strip searched or groped because I need to travel a greater distance than a car can reasonably go.  At the very least, all TSA employees should be required to undergo an extensive background check and sexual assault sensitivity training before they're even allowed to put one hand on anyone.  I should not be the coerced victim of someone who gets their kick out of forcibly groping helpless people just to be able to get on an airplane.  But as the links in the second linked story clearly show, TSA doesn't give a fuck about passenger safety from sexual assault.

Because the sexual abuse of thousands of people isn't important when the terrorists might get on a plane!  Eleventy!!!!  Shut up, sheep passengers and submit to sexual humiliation!  We'll keep your naked picture on file in case of... shut up, that's why. 

Make no mistake, this is sexual abuse, even if the person does not have any PTSD issues.  If you're a survivor?  It's torture*.  And you'll be punished if you object. 

But it's all in the name of Safety!  We must be kept secure!  Even if that means violation of our personal safety and security.  After all, we catch terrorists all the time by rubbing our hands all over them and taking naked pictures that are kept on file just in case.**

Oh, what?  We haven't caught a single terrorist this way? Then why do we need this viollating policy?

Because liberty freedom Osama terrorists mosques at Ground Zero Obama Socialism SHUT UP.  That's why.

*Yes, I will freak out, even if a woman is doing it.  I cannot have a stranger touch parts of my body without a full-on breakdown.

**Because shut up, that's why.


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Nov. 10th, 2010 02:07 pm (UTC)
I last flew in 2002.

My then almost 13yo son (who turned 13 on the trip) was required to remove his shoes and was patted down. I was in a wheel chair as, before knee surgery, I couldn't stand long enough or walk far enough to navigate an airport and the screening lines. I was made to get out of the chair, and was roughly patted down -- not a thorough pat-down, just heavy handed -- in front of the line of passengers.

I told my mother then -- it was her 80th birthday party and family reunion -- that I was not going to fly again until airlines and airports got out of their cattle truck mentality and started treating their passengers as people instead of livestock.

I haven't flown since, and don't intend to either.
Nov. 10th, 2010 02:23 pm (UTC)
Oh god. I'm sick.
Nov. 10th, 2010 02:34 pm (UTC)
Nice. So x-ray vision is a reality, and just like all the movies implied, perverts are in possession of it. And hey, if they're keeping MY body scan, then let's add sick freaks to the description...

You know, the scanning tunnel in Total Recall was not as disturbing (granted, I haven't seen an actual image of one of these 'scans', so I don't know how detailed it is). Why can't they develop something like that, which just shows your skeleton and any foreign objects? I wouldn't care if they were looking at just my bones.
Nov. 10th, 2010 03:27 pm (UTC)
formal TSA document They used to have a non-privacy-screened backscatter image on that page, but it seems to be gone now. the unfiltered image from a different source.
(no subject) - mistressrhi - Nov. 10th, 2010 04:04 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Nov. 10th, 2010 02:56 pm (UTC)
I'm not a survivor of abuse, but the idea of being either electronically strip searched or patted down like a convict still seriously squicks me out. If I'm not a felon, I shouldn't have to be subjected to being searched like a convicted criminal. I thought that the Fourth Amendment protected us from unreasonable searches without probable cause? Simply flying is NOT probable cause.

I can't even imagine what someone with PTSD must feel about this.

Edited at 2010-11-10 02:58 pm (UTC)
Nov. 10th, 2010 10:48 pm (UTC)
"I thought that the Fourth Amendment protected us from unreasonable searches without probable cause? Simply flying is NOT probable cause."

The TSA maintains that this not "unreasonable" search, as you agree to intrusive search in the Contract of Carraige. As such, the need for probable cause is negated.

The ACLU is _dying_ to try this out in court, but it needs someone who has suffered damages as a result of this policy in order to start the legal ball rolling. So far, no one has been willing to sue the TSA over this. So far.

BTW, I agree with your sentiments entirely. I'm just explaining the legal justification behind the policy. I'm not saying I agree with it in any way, shape, or form.
(no subject) - brickhousewench - Nov. 11th, 2010 12:41 am (UTC) - Expand
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*more trigger warnings* - firehauke - Nov. 11th, 2010 02:47 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: *more trigger warnings* - thatpotteryguy - Nov. 11th, 2010 02:04 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Nov. 10th, 2010 03:07 pm (UTC)
I am not usually a victim of "conspiracy-theoryism" but there is a niggling little voice in the back of my brain that squeaks that this is not only a way for TPTB to re-educate the public into giving up personal privacy rights but is also a way to reinforce that we should not travel--which leads to open minds and a sense of global community--but should instead stay home and become insular and even more convinced that "we" are right and the guardians of good.

Half of my family is in Korea and my husband's family is in Germany--so we get to choose between not having relationships with our families and degradation...wow what a wonderful choice.

And btw, yes I DO have something to hide--my breasts and my genitalia and even my love handles, they are MINE to reveal or to hide.
Nov. 11th, 2010 02:15 pm (UTC)
I think the former more than the latter - discouraging travel is a pretty subtle thing for the TSA, an organization noted for it's lack of subtlety, to try and engage in. And I think it's less about "re-educating" and more about "ramming it down our throats".
(no subject) - de_chanson - Nov. 12th, 2010 01:16 am (UTC) - Expand
Nov. 10th, 2010 03:10 pm (UTC)
I would throw a fit. Perhaps if enough people are outraged, something would change.

But just like dystopian sci fi has been telling us for ages, they will scare you into signing away your rights, and that is JUST what is happening.
Nov. 10th, 2010 03:16 pm (UTC)

Another concern: Due to medical problems and related surgeries, twice in the last two years I have had to have drains inserted into my body with accompanying bags and tubing. I wouldn't have wanted anyone to see them. I wouldn't have wanted to explain them. I sure as h3ll wouldn't have wanted anyone touching them especially since dislodging one would have led to more surgery!

I only had these for weeks at a time but others have permanent medical attachments of one sort or another. I have seen no information on how that kind of thing is handled but based on TSA's sensitivity it does scare me!
Nov. 10th, 2010 03:25 pm (UTC)
I have decided to wear a big strap-on under my clothes when I fly. If they're going to take naked pictures of me I can at least make sure they have something to think about!
Nov. 10th, 2010 04:10 pm (UTC)
About half the time when I fly, my bra winds up setting off the metal detectors. I think next time I fly I will use my uncanny ability to remove my bra without taking my shirt off while in the security line, and drop said piece of lingerie onto the X-ray belt with my shoes, purse, carryon, and laptop. Of course, that'd probably get me arrested. My excuse: "I'm just trying to help the TSA do their job, if they think my bra is an explosive device or a weapon, of course it should be closely examined!"
Nov. 10th, 2010 03:45 pm (UTC)
The fact that I'm not personally freaked out by this doesn't stop me from being angry on behalf of others who are. Have we no limits?

Nov. 11th, 2010 02:18 pm (UTC)
The only limits the government recognizes are the ones we impose, through law and maintained by vigilance against erosion of those limits.

This is not an "anti-government" screed - it's an observation on the nature of government and the realtionship between it and the citizenry. The individuals who create policy are not to blame per se - it is the nature of government to limit it's citizen's right.
Nov. 10th, 2010 03:55 pm (UTC)
I'm going to be flying in December to California for work-related training. I'll be flying back to the East Coast a day later. Hearing about these procedures is not making me happy.
Nov. 10th, 2010 03:57 pm (UTC)
The only time I was freaked out by potentially having a search done was when the TSA was a woman who was physically dirty and smelled unwashed. She can at me laughing and moved her hands in a way that made me feel like she was goingto enjoy herself. My Bra set off the alarm. I told her not to touch me. I turned to a male tsa and told him that he had my permission, in front of a large group of people, to do the search. He was embarassed and asked why and I told him that he looked professional and the woman looked like she was going to abuse me and like it. He was embarassed, but called over another female tsa for me.
Nov. 10th, 2010 04:05 pm (UTC)
The genie is out of the bottle and you cannot put it back in.

I was pretty much certain this would happen as soon as the TSA started using the technology. I'm just surprised it took so long to become news. I'm thinking air travel just became infinitely less attractive and that automobile traffic accidents are going to spike as people take to the road.

On the other hand, this might be great news for the hospitality industry, and Stuckey's may make a comeback.... It might even be a great incentive to build high-speed railways (which every other major industrialized country seems to have, but for some reason we don't).
Nov. 10th, 2010 05:11 pm (UTC)
I'm doing more trip-planning with Amtrak.
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Nov. 10th, 2010 04:21 pm (UTC)
Fortunately for me, the airport I use most (going out anyway) does not have the full body scanners - yet.

Unfortunately for me, I travel for business almost every month. I cannot say to my employer I refuse to fly and expect to retain my position. And that is one many reasons people put up with this.

I am disturbed by the pat downs more than I am disturbed by the saving of body scans, mostly because I'm blissfully unaware of who may see the body scan. But the pat down? Everyone in line gets to see that and I'm personnally subjected to it. In the Middle East, if a woman needs a pat down they at least take you to a separate room. Not always reassuring, but at least not in front of everyone either.
Nov. 10th, 2010 05:12 pm (UTC)
You can (supposedly) request to be searched in private, but I have also been told that this greatly increases the likelihood of it being a strip search rather than a pat down.
Nov. 10th, 2010 05:11 pm (UTC)
I'm supposed to fly next summer (going to the US Virgin Islands for my only brother's wedding), but last night I read about the "choice" between this electronic strip search and being what is most definitely sexually assaulted. I have anxiety issues anyway and I have been in a state of panic since I read it. I have no idea how I'm going to get to the wedding, but I can't, I just cannot, allow a stranger to photograph me naked (btw, those backscatter pics can be reverse-negatived on Photoshop and give a picture that looks like a real naked picture) OR to touch my breasts or genitals. Male or female, I can't do it. I starting shaking and feeling nauseated just thinking about it. Not crying whenever I think or talk about it is difficult.
Nov. 10th, 2010 05:35 pm (UTC)
Note to self: forget to bathe for a week before flying.
Nov. 11th, 2010 01:35 am (UTC)
Heh... I'd probably be the one going "Wow, my period is being a *wicked* bitch today......"
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