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It's so Unfair!

On The Daily Show I was watching last night (Feb 3; starts around 10:20), there was a gentleman who was complaining that women now outstripped men academically and in jobs, and just in general, and that we needed to focus on the needs of men more.

Allow me to pontificate:



That's not what I meant to say, even though that is my first reaction.  No, let me explain it slowly to those men* who actually think that women doing better is a bad thing...

When a set of people systematically remove all competition for the things they want, say by refusing equality to persons of differing genitalia**, then there is less competition, and those people who are in the privileged demographic do not have to work as hard for the things they want. 

With me so far?

At some point, through circumstances such as people who differ from the privileged class saying "WTF?!", the jobs and academic opportunities that formerly were unavailable to them will be opened up, and there will be a time of transition, where the privileged class will refuse to accept that the new, different people are actually capable of competing, and the new, different people will have to work three times as hard to get half as far.

Surprisingly, this will not make the new people give up, since they benefit from the new opportunities, even if they have to work very, very hard for them.  They will simply get used to the hard work.

Then, when more and more barriers to the non-privileged class are removed, the non-privileged people will be at an advantage, because of the whole "work three times as hard for half as much" thing.  The privileged people, on the other hand, will have a harder time of it, because they now have to work harder to get the opportunities they want, rather than simply being a member of the privileged demographic.  Many of the privileged will adapt, seeing this change as a good thing.

But others, against all logic and reason***, will perceive this as unfair, and those members of the privileged class will start whining.

And writing articles that bemoan the fact that they think the underprivileged class are now getting more attention, even though studies show that the privileged class still gets more actual attenton in the classroom and in jobs, especially top-level ones (pdf)****.   They will refuse to see the many benefits of equality (such as not having to work themselves into ulcers supporting a family single-handedly, or even being able to stay home themselves and raise their kids), and instead demand that things go back to the way they were.

Let me say this last part really slowly.

Men:  An Equal Playing Field Means You Have To Work Harder.  Welcome To Our World.  We Promise To Treat You Nicer Than You Treated Us.

Excuse me - I'm going back to laughing my ass off now.

*I trust none of my readers are this silly.

**Among so many, many others...

***Their reasoning is "I deserve to have these things handed to me, because it's always been that way".  Kyriarchy in action, folks!

Not to mention, as Samantha Bee pointed out, they still run the country.


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Feb. 5th, 2010 04:54 pm (UTC)
I watched this show too and I couldn't believe that this man was saying all this crap with a straight face. I mean really.
Feb. 5th, 2010 06:48 pm (UTC)
I had to pop out for a cigarette, but Samantha Bee's takedown was priceless, even if it was a bit heteronormative (calling the men "pussies" and such is not the tack I would take, but then, she was playing the satire, but oh, it's complicated).

To the privileged, anything that evens out the score takes something away from them, even if it benefits everyone in the long run, so them what can't see the big picture get all sulky and claim we've taken all the toys away, instead of half. ;P
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Feb. 5th, 2010 05:07 pm (UTC)
Awww do we HAVE to treat them nicer than they treated us? Can't we make them wear uncomfortable high heels, treat them like they are brainless, openly sexually harass them and then accuse them of having a problem when they are uncomfortable, refuse to promote them or pay them the same as their female counterparts, and make them get us coffee and pick up our dry cleaning while calling them demeaning pet names like "sugar cakes?"

Feb. 5th, 2010 05:30 pm (UTC)
M'dear, be reminded that harassment would be right up their alley for a lot of them: they'd love it and they'd take it as permission--nay, invitation, even as REQUEST---for them to avail themselves of the women around them, something attack_laurel has been expounding against for...years, is it? More than a decade?
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Feb. 5th, 2010 06:12 pm (UTC)
I'm fer it. For one, trim men in heels are hot.

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Feb. 5th, 2010 05:27 pm (UTC)
"Men: An Equal Playing Field Means You Have To Work Harder. Welcome To Our World. **We Promise To Treat You Nicer Than You Treated Us.**"
[italics mine--'virginiadear']

Not all of us: I'm making no such promise.
It's my considered and confirmed belief that the blessing of some experiential knowledge will do them a world of good.
My utter sincerity and lack of emotionality in this response may be judged by the absence of all caps or of exclamation points.
Feb. 5th, 2010 05:40 pm (UTC)
Hee. :)
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Feb. 5th, 2010 05:58 pm (UTC)
Having just spent hours at work reviewing income materials based on gender, I have to say that we still have a long way to go. Once we get *paid* the same and have the same jobs offered to us (see 'paid' above), then maybe we can talk about how far things have come.
Feb. 5th, 2010 06:44 pm (UTC)
Way back in High School (lo, these many eons ago) I remember one of my female classmates saying "Well, we have equality now" I about died right then. We still don't have equality... we're a lot closer than we used to be for sure, but there's still a long way to go, baby. ;)
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Feb. 5th, 2010 06:29 pm (UTC)
And I'll believe all that equality stuff...
When we actually get an equal rights amendment in the Constitution. Right now, an ethnic man has more rights Constitutionally guaranteed to him than I do as a Caucasian woman.
Feb. 5th, 2010 06:38 pm (UTC)
Re: And I'll believe all that equality stuff...
That may be so, but let's not play oppression-olympics here, please. We, as white women, have greater privilege in other areas than an "ethnic" (i.e., brown skinned) man.

Feb. 5th, 2010 06:52 pm (UTC)
Funny story; Western Reserve University (reasie can tell this story better, she's the one who found it in the archives when she was working in the library here) admitted women at the time when such ideas were first becoming radical and fashionable... 18-something, 1890-something? and the male students petitioned for the women to be kicked out... because it was not fair that they had to compete with these "Study machines" ;) There were no women's extra-curicular activities, they had to be in the dorm early and had nothing to do but study. If you had three women in a class, they were the top three students and the male students were upset. Western Reserve did end up kicking women out (forever to their shame) and wealthy benefactress Flora Stone Mather pitched a fit so they established a separate woman's college.
Feb. 5th, 2010 08:02 pm (UTC)
Gah, the historic restrictions on female college students were ridiculous. Ridiculous. And I can tell you from attending one and checking out some of the history that women's colleges were not much better. Hell into the 1990s that college of mine didn't even allow the woman to leave campus unless they were seniors, required a curfew, and they still couldn't overnight off campus. Men weren't allowed in the dorms past the lobbies in the year before I started, that was a great leap forward during my time there. :/

One positive thing there, though, was that learning was hella more intensely effective for us. The effects of likely no males in a classroom except for perhaps the teacher was pretty telling about the state of gender equality.
Feb. 5th, 2010 08:28 pm (UTC)
This sounds like my g-Ma; she was the first female student body president at her college and graduated as her class Valedictorian. That women was amazing, I still live in awe of her brain (she had mighty big brain meats, for any gender!).
Feb. 5th, 2010 10:53 pm (UTC)
strange coincidence
I was angry at the men in the segment as well, especially after reading an earlier blog on the glass elevator for men in female dominated professions!

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