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Read the comments from my last post, and see why I love writing this blog:

gwacie suggests the sheer "skirt" on the Countess of Southampton might be an apron - I will check (she might be right - which introduces an interesting line of enquiry about why the apron would be tied like that, instead of across the waistline).

mmcnealy has more skirt pictures, and after I ungraciously said I didn't need to see them, I now hope she will post the links, since

ciorstan has given us some awesome links to the Lobkowicz gown, with a picture of the top of the petticoat (though I can't see clearly enough to know how the top fastening goes, it looks like tapes - I just don't know whether they're attached, or tied through lacing holes), showing a connection between the Low Countries, Spain, and Germany in skirt construction. 

Y'all have to understand that I'm an amateur when it comes to knowing about costume - sure, I've studied it for ages, but all that tells me is how little I know of details big and small - including what the top of a darn petticoat should look like.  So, posting here, I get all kinds of input.

Bless the Intarwebs, and all who sail upon them.

It's been a busy weekend, what with issues and stuff, but I got the periwinkle petticoat sewn together (about a week for construction by hand), and will be buying some gold lace to do the guardings (4 of them) on the bottom.  The pink arrived for the green jacket outfit, and it is perfect, not least because it's not a very high grade Dupioni, so more suitable with the green linen.  And what a pink it is - it's a double shot gold and fuschia, and comes out this amazing rose/gold shade.

I got some cheap (unknown content) spools of grosgrain that I dyed an interesting shade of green last night.  It almost picks up gold overtones against the pink, and that will be the guarding for that petticoat (once I get that far).  It doesn't quite match the jacket, but that isn't as important as looking beautiful against the pink, which it does.

Seriously, you guys - yummy.

I put lacing points on the periwinkle pettiocat (I just like saying that - it's so alliterative), and into the silver silk bodies that will be worn with it (and the pink).  Now I have to stop myself from making another pair of bodies out of the leftover pink.  I mustn't - I have too many other things to do, God help me.

I've had a headache for the past five days or so - just a low-grade ice-pick in the side of my temple - but since we went to see a movie last night (The Happening - which is fun if you don't have particularly high expectations), I took extra stuff to try and kill it, resulting in the jitters.  Which, as anyone who is regularly on meds can tell you, is annoying and sucks.  Even my normal anti-anxiety stuff didn't take much of an edge off, so I think I'm going to call it a day a little early, and go home and sew (which always calms me).  We're going to IKEA tonight to buy cabinets and a dresser (for the kitchen and the guest bedroom, respectively).

Behold the excitement that is my daily life.

Finally, Peerage?  If you want it, go for it, especially if it helps you to put your heart and your soul into your work.  There's nothing wrong with wanting recognition.  Beware of overload, "radio silence", and getting too focused on the award to the detriment of your work, but the desire for outside acknowledgement is a perfectly acceptable reason to work hard and do well in your chosen field.

Just don't be a dick about it.  

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kass_rants
Jun. 23rd, 2008 01:23 pm (UTC)
I've always been under the impression that the apron or overskirt over the Countess of Southampton's petticote was a kind of protection for the embroidery on her petticote. I don't know what gave me this impression to be honest, so I can't tell you I read it in a book or anything so concrete. Just something to contribute to your contemplations.
attack_laurel
Jun. 23rd, 2008 01:38 pm (UTC)
Yes, that's what makes me think skirt - it looks like the Italian ones, and also like the sheer organza sleeves worn over embroidered sleeves in England.

I just need to pull out the really big picture I have of it and see if the sheer goes around to the back or not. The other thing is that I have never seen an apron that does that in front.

...but there's always a first time. :)
gwacie
Jun. 23rd, 2008 01:49 pm (UTC)
*munches popcorn* C'mon Apron!

(Why do I feel like I'm watching a horse race or something?)

Seriously, what makes me think apron is looking at the hem, the sheer bit doesn't show at the outter edges of the skirt on the bottom. The one side is obscured by the doggie, but the other is pretty open. Totally looks like an apron to me.
attack_laurel
Jun. 23rd, 2008 02:19 pm (UTC)
I see what you mean - but I'll have to wait until I get home to look closely.
gwacie
Jun. 23rd, 2008 02:37 pm (UTC)
Waiting in breathless anticipation ;) or something like that.
Do you know which museum the painting is in? (if we're lucky enough that it is in a museum on display) would be awesome to see it in person. So much doesn't translate into photography.
isabelladangelo
Jun. 23rd, 2008 02:32 pm (UTC)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Elizabeth_Vernon_big.jpg

Looking at the bottom edge on the left, yeap, there is a corner that, like you said, makes it look like an apron. There are distictive lines on either side that also say "apron" rather than overskirt. Not that there aren't some pretty clear examples of sheer overskirts from that time. Like the spiderweb one over the pretty red velvet portrait... And then there is the whole sheer stuff going on on the Persian Elizabethan outfit portrait....
kass_rants
Jun. 23rd, 2008 01:31 pm (UTC)
Oh, and total empathy on the headache. When there aren't sufficient storms in the summertime, I get them for about six days in a row. I used to be really afraid to drive because I knew I wasn't using the eye over which the headache centered.

I hope the weather breaks soon and you feel better!
attack_laurel
Jun. 23rd, 2008 01:40 pm (UTC)
I get them regualrly - they're related to migraines (which I get fortunately less frequently), and are either medication or hormone-induced, and I can't do a damn thing about either of those reasons.

I ordered some more patterns from you this morning, btw. :)
kass_rants
Jun. 23rd, 2008 01:46 pm (UTC)
Suckage. Mine are definitely weather related. But meds seem to do nothing for them. Only coffee or a change in the barometric pressure helps. And too much coffee just upsets my stomach.

I saw the order. Thanks tons! First State Greyhound Rescue thanks you too!
albreda
Jun. 24th, 2008 04:32 pm (UTC)
I find that sometimes antihistamines help with the jitters, especially if I'm on opiods. Just FYI.

Can't wait to see the pink petticoat!!
chargirlgenius
Jun. 23rd, 2008 01:55 pm (UTC)
There's nothing wrong with wanting recognition.

Ironically, I'm much more of this opinion now that I'm a peer. Beforehand, I waffled so much on whether or not I actually wanted it, and was very uncomfortable with the idea that it might be important to me.
attack_laurel
Jun. 23rd, 2008 02:21 pm (UTC)
Well, we've all been somewhat indoctrinated with the superstition that declaring something one wants guarantees it will never happen, for starters.

I remember one person once gleefully exclaiming "you'll never be baroness of Lochmere!" after I sat in one of the thrones (to test out the cushion I had made for it). So much for that superstition. :)

chargirlgenius
Jun. 23rd, 2008 02:56 pm (UTC)
For starters. :-)

I've even tried on Royal regalia. Guess I'll never be queen. ;-)

But in addition to that, I think I was pretty wrapped up in making sure that I was doing it because I wanted to do it, and looked down on the idea of letting peerage or awards help to spur me on. And yeah, while you should do it because you love it, I'm sick of people looking down on awards and "cookies" because they have an idea that it makes their goals seem loftier.

But anyway, that's another rant that I've been toying with writing...
kass_rants
Jun. 23rd, 2008 05:20 pm (UTC)
Don't forget those of us who just plain don't want the job. I like to participate on my own terms. If I were a Peer, I'd feel an obligation to attend more events like Coronation and teach classes and all that kinda stuff. So I don't feel like I could accept a Peerage with clear conscience unless I rearranged my life.
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kass_rants
Jun. 23rd, 2008 05:37 pm (UTC)
Thank you. But you know what I mean, K. I go to so few events, and I think that Peers have a responsibility to... I dunno... show up sometime!
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kass_rants
Jun. 23rd, 2008 06:33 pm (UTC)
Re: Peer like Qualities out the door....Be wary, my friend, be wary!
Thanks, Kelly. If I were a Peer, though, I'd do more. I would be present. I wouldn't just help people on the internet.

Oh goodness! Between this thread and that one of thatpotteryguy, I'm starting to feel like I'm asking for people to say, "You're a Peer in my eyes." I'm really really not fishing...
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kass_rants
Jun. 23rd, 2008 07:55 pm (UTC)
Re: Peer like Qualities out the door....Be wary, my friend, be wary!
Poor Laura. She's going to come in to work tomorrow morning and want to kick our butts!

As soon as I have a page count on the Guide, I'll be able to price it and post it on the website. I'll announce it on my LJ. Don't worry.
chargirlgenius
Jun. 23rd, 2008 05:56 pm (UTC)
Oh, certainly. There are people who wouldn’t want it, and I wouldn’t assume that everybody would. Looking back, I have a hard time knowing how much I really wanted it.

My current beef is with people who are invested in the system (system = royalty, awards, titles, etc.) yet feel the need to look down upon the awards and titles themselves, when it suits their own purposes (makes them feel more important, I suppose).

As for the rest, I still play on my own terms. I might wish that I had time for certain things, but my priorities are still all mine. :-D

(but I know what you mean…)
kass_rants
Jun. 23rd, 2008 06:01 pm (UTC)
Thanks for understanding me. Now I know what you mean. I just wanted to make sure that you weren't talking about someone like me. I don't lack respect for the Peerages (although I admit to lacking respect for some individuals in the Peerages). Matter of fact, I have so much respect for them that I know I could not do the title justice.

It doesn't make any sense to me why someone in the system would look down on awards. Sounds like sour grapes to me.
chargirlgenius
Jun. 23rd, 2008 06:18 pm (UTC)
Oh, certainly not. Badly worded on my part.

I’m with you. There are people I respect and people I don’t. Some are peers, and some aren’t.

As for why an individual would look down on certain awards? Just a jerk, I guess.
chargirlgenius
Jun. 23rd, 2008 05:57 pm (UTC)
Oh, and if I were in the East, I might run like hell too! ;-)
kass_rants
Jun. 23rd, 2008 05:59 pm (UTC)
Heh. Yeah. No kidding!
albreda
Jun. 24th, 2008 04:34 pm (UTC)
Uh... your patterns, etc, ARE teaching folks NOW. It may not be in the 'normal' SCA way, but your work and research reaches more folks than most ten Laurels combined. Phooey on anyone who says that doesn't count!
mmcnealy
Jun. 23rd, 2008 02:07 pm (UTC)
I should be able to post them later today or tomorrow.
attack_laurel
Jun. 23rd, 2008 02:22 pm (UTC)
Cool! :)
maricelt
Jun. 23rd, 2008 02:11 pm (UTC)
ciorstan has given us some awesome links to the Lobkowicz gown.

Darn, I seem to have missed that.
attack_laurel
Jun. 23rd, 2008 02:22 pm (UTC)
previous entry - all the way at the bottom in comments.
maricelt
Jun. 23rd, 2008 02:34 pm (UTC)
Ah, Gracias!

ETA: Phenomenal!

Edited at 2008-06-23 02:40 pm (UTC)
ciorstan
Jun. 23rd, 2008 03:47 pm (UTC)
...showing a connection between the Low Countries, Spain, and Germany in skirt construction.

There would also have been a cultural/Evil Overlord tie; Charles, the Holy Roman Emperor (and Daddy) set Margaret of Parma over the Low Countries as a (mostly) hands-tied governor from 1559 until she threw in the towel in 1567 and retired to Italy. Later, her niece Isabella Eugenia and her husband ruled the Spanish Netherlands...

Habsbergs, all of them, whose parents, grandparent and cousins and siblings married cousins from the House itself back in Austria.

'Course, I'm pointing out the obvious, history-wise.

Anyway, it occurred to me just now-- she has a skirt, a jacket... and that begs the question of what's on underneath? There ought to be a kirtle of some kind, because the petticoat is split and indeed has a finished edge along the split opening.

Edited at 2008-06-23 04:24 pm (UTC)
attack_laurel
Jun. 24th, 2008 02:43 pm (UTC)
Either it was so badly deteriorated they couldn't save it, or the thing was closed up originally. I've only ever seen it mounted, and it looks complete on the mannequin, so I couldn't tell you. :)
vom_schwarzwald
Jun. 23rd, 2008 05:23 pm (UTC)
Bless the Intarwebs, and all that sail upon them...
This boring office has been my home since last time I was sailing
But I'll not stay another day, I'd sooner be out surfing

Oh Lord above, send down a dove,
With beak as sharp as razors
To cut the throat of them IT blokes
What blocks out sites to sailors

Paid off me provider and then a-surfin, me fingers soon was flyin
With FOX News upon my screen in my ear a lying

With my newfound friends, my money spent just as fast as IMing
But when I make to log off m'puter, the auction says, "Keep Bidding"

With me money gone and plastic over limit and email set for sending
Six months of pay gone in three days, but I ain't grieving
When the IAM comes round, I'll take his frown
and his hand I'll be shaking
Tomorrow morn work from my Home just as dawn is breaking

So for that last site with blocked port I'll pay but next time back I'm swearing
I'll settle down in my office and go no more webfaring

Oh Lord above, send down a dove,
With beak as sharp as razors
To cut the throat of them IT blokes
What blocks out sites to sailors
kathrynfontayne
Jun. 23rd, 2008 10:48 pm (UTC)
Oooh, pretty fabric... I love shot anything.

The motivational Laurel speech sounds like what my non-Laurel (she has the Kingdom-level award and is an apprentice herself but she wants me as a student) said in the Apprentice-Talk (last weekend... Kathryn is still in shock).

I don't want to broadcast "I can has pretty leaves?" because of all the warnings from Laurels about "It's not about the cookie on the string" but man, that cookie is good motivation.

Yay for Laurels that understand about cookies.
attack_laurel
Jun. 24th, 2008 02:45 pm (UTC)
Most of us really do - if it's the award that pushes them on to bigger and better things vis-a-vis their art, then it's a positive motivation. If they want it simply to be able to swan around and sneer at lesser beings, then , well, see my comments aout not being a dick. :)
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