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I can see a little bit clearer now...

 My head hurts.  Other things hurt (including my hips - weird, and not conducive to deep sleep).  I'm tired.

I spent yesterday at home, because of the hurt, and I would have taken today, too, except for needing to do some stuff on my work computer.

The red bodies are almost done with the lacing, and now I just have to hem the two skirts, because I always make them a tad too long.  Thank you to everyone who has chimed in on the lacing discussion, and added more to it through their own posts (looking at you, heatermcca- your pictures rock, and I may be begging you for permission to use them in my article) - I am combing through my library to gather my evidence and my thoughts.

I do need to point out that this is a very specific, very small thing, it wasn't done by everyone, and I can really only speak for English and Flemish fashion. 

But that's what it's all about, amirite?  Finding small things and adding them to the general knowledge pool, not simply accepting what came before if it doesn't quite work.  In the case of my previous skirt knowledge (courtesy of J'town's costume department), it mostly worked, so I didn't question it until kass_rants asked about it, but it stands as a perfect example of why one should question everything.

I don't mind being challenged on what I say on my web site - it is a useful tool for me as well as for those who ask, because if I can't support something, then I have no business propagating the information in the first place.  My site is not about promoting memememe! (no, really, I swear), it's about getting the best information I can pull together and letting as many people know about it as possible.  If I'm wrong, God, please, let me always have the grace to admit it cheerfully and start over.  The thing I want least in the world is to become a cult of personality.  Like me for my work, my intelligence, my wacky sense of humour, my ability to balance a spoon on my nose and drop it down my cleavage - but don't turn me into some sort of demi-god who can never be challenged or deposed.  My wish is to be part of the education of the next generation of historical costumers, who hopefully will go on to even bigger and better things.  

The desire to be on top and remain on top is a sterile, useless ambition - it stifles questioning, which is vital to the growth of understanding.

Fuck, I'm sounding a bit messianic - it's the drugs.  And the glass of wine I had last night that made me totally giggly (and was very welcome after a hard day), but gave me a bit of a headache this morning.

When it comes to my own research, I feel sometimes like I'm staring through a telescope that isn't quite focused - I have a general fuzzy idea of clothing for the time, but the details only come through slowly, and after long bouts of staring at the evidence.  One picture is never enough - I have to find five, and then written references, and then oblique references, and then the political/sociological/economic/personal ramifications before I'm satisfied.  

But every time I find something that works - that really, really works, and doesn't use any modern costuming tricks or shortcuts - I feel like I'm a micron closer to the real picture.  It keeps me going, renews my energy, and unfortunately, makes me overhaul or get rid of all the things in my wardrobe/kit that don't fit.

Don't get me wrong - sometimes I do say "it's fine the way it is" and leave it.  But sometimes it isn't, and just getting that tiny bit closer is all that matters.  My standards are mine, and I don't hold anyone else to them.  My level of work is not a reflection on anyone other than me, and I never make something with the intention of making other people feel inferior.  I really feel that everyone should achieve the level they're happy with, not force themselves to do stuff they hate because of outside expectations.  Heck, we get enough of that from our families and bosses - this is a hobby.  My version of this hobby just happens to include a lot of nit-picky detail work, that's all.  I like to do this stuff.

When I started in the SCA, all I wanted was to look like a fairy princess (I still want to, mind you - just not at SCA events).  I had made costumes for years (participated in Con masquerades and everything), and thought costuming was what I wanted to do.  Unfortunately, I had some false starts and some bad falls along the way, not least because I was largely self-directed in my research.  I was told in no uncertain terms that costuming was not going to be a viable course for me, and as a result, I spent several years painting instead (eventually getting a Laurel for that, and music).

I "found" proper Elizabethan clothing about the same time I met Bob (about 16 years ago), because he took me to my first Gardiner's event; I realized that this was what I had been looking for, and fell in love instantly.  My education began anew.  I got some help, and kept my eyes and ears open for any little bits of info that came my way, but was still largely self-directed.  Luckily, I've always done better with independent learning, and in some ways, it helped, because I was never taught to accept without question any of the costuming "absolutes" I was told (and I've been told some pretty odd things over the years).

But I've spent most of my time in the SCA dissatisfied with how my things look - I want to look at an Elizabethan woman when I look in the mirror, not a person in costume.  Each time I find something new, the picture gets a little sharper.

I'm not there yet.  But my vision is slowly clearing.

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laurensa
May. 7th, 2008 02:59 pm (UTC)
But I've spent most of my time in the SCA dissatisfied with how my things look - I want to look at an Elizabethan woman when I look in the mirror, not a person in costume.

Wow...that's a really neat goal.

Mind if I steal it?
attack_laurel
May. 7th, 2008 03:10 pm (UTC)
My ideaz - ur welcome to themz. :)
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heatermcca
May. 7th, 2008 03:06 pm (UTC)
Aw, I'm coming over all blushy now. That's a big compliment, thanks.

If you'd like other pictures/closeups or what-have-you of that outfit, let me know. I'm grounded for the duration, now, so I've got time in the next few days to get more pics with either Meg or the hubby's help. Heh - but don't, er, wait too long.
attack_laurel
May. 7th, 2008 03:12 pm (UTC)
Actually, the pics you have up are fabulous - especially since they show the open look,

...Which, you will be pleased to know, has opened a whole new area of speculation in my head, because open like that, they look like petticoat bodies, but are not. How many of the pictures we are looking at show the same thing, but are interpreted as petticoat bodies instead of an open-laced bodies and separate petticoat?

Fun!
heatermcca
May. 7th, 2008 04:04 pm (UTC)
Ehhhhhzackly - and especially if you further consider the narrow waistband advent. It's going to be harder by far to tell that a waistband is ever there - esp. if you're an artist who's just trying to get across an idea of clothing.

I tell you, I'm so fond of finding the "little" things that impact just all over the place.

Edited at 2008-05-07 04:05 pm (UTC)
attack_laurel
May. 7th, 2008 04:06 pm (UTC)
I get all excited, like I'm about to meet someone I love whom I haven't seen for ages. It's a drug. A drug, I tell you!

(Have to go back to my Dutch books and stare more...)
heatermcca
May. 7th, 2008 04:07 pm (UTC)
I heart my (US) National Gallery art books, I do. And my big, fat art history textbook that one could use for a safe's doorstop.
victoriapringle
May. 7th, 2008 03:26 pm (UTC)
my ability to balance a spoon on my nose and drop it down my cleavage

Do you teach this skill to others?
attack_laurel
May. 7th, 2008 03:29 pm (UTC)
It was my Stupid Peer Trick[tm]. I was better at it when I had DD breasts (weight loss reduced them to a generous B).
victoriapringle
May. 7th, 2008 04:49 pm (UTC)
I think it sounds like a wonderful skill!
attack_laurel
May. 7th, 2008 05:23 pm (UTC)
Breathe on the spoon before you stick it on your nose. It helps. 8)
victoriapringle
May. 7th, 2008 05:34 pm (UTC)
I'm good with that part, it's the drop to the cleavage I'm not sure about. Of course I've never tried this before since for some reason I've never thought to try this.
gwacie
May. 7th, 2008 03:32 pm (UTC)
Preach it, sista!

Well said.
attack_laurel
May. 7th, 2008 04:04 pm (UTC)
Thank you! :)
landverhuizer
May. 7th, 2008 03:52 pm (UTC)
not a person in costume

A worthy challenge for ones self... I strive for it every time I test a new idea... it has to work (which is look and feel right). Don't know if anyone will ever actually get there, but some folk are getting closer and we notice!
attack_laurel
May. 7th, 2008 04:04 pm (UTC)
I don't know either - there's still so much to know! Especially since Movie costumers can't even get the 1940s right half the time - and that's still within living memory.

But it's such a fun pursuit... :)
florentinescot
May. 7th, 2008 04:01 pm (UTC)
I wanna be you when I grow up. :-)
attack_laurel
May. 7th, 2008 04:03 pm (UTC)
Aw, *sniffle* that's a really nice thing to say! :)
dawnhutchings
May. 7th, 2008 04:06 pm (UTC)
Thanks
I'm new to sewing and costuming and love to research. In the past I’ve felt like I was living in a state of information overload. I had the information in my brain but didn’t know what to do with it; that is until I started reading you LJ posts and your website. They have really helped me boil down and focus the knowledge and allowed me the “ah ha” moments that make me feel that I might just be understanding some of what I’m reading.
attack_laurel
May. 7th, 2008 04:18 pm (UTC)
Re: Thanks
Aw, everyone's making me feel so good today! Y'all are turning my head!

Seriously, though, thanks. :)
tudorlady
May. 7th, 2008 04:32 pm (UTC)
I want to look at an Elizabethan woman when I look in the mirror, not a person in costume.

Yes, yes, and MORE YES. Still more yes.

It's happening more than it used to (to me and what I see around me), but it's still a rare occurrence.
lorebubeck
May. 7th, 2008 04:45 pm (UTC)
Details details details
I am currently searching out something that is hardly a detail but I am made of teh fail. I'm trying to do Char's Laurel Callenge for the fair and I am falling flat on the first step! I am a German persona so I wanted to do a gown that LOOKS German. One problem. Her time period is 1350 - 1475. I am now convinced, after weeks of searching, that German women were either naked or dressing in other countries clothes during that time period. I can not find any paintings showing otherwise! Arrrrgggg!
attack_laurel
May. 7th, 2008 04:50 pm (UTC)
Re: Details details details
Are you checking illuminations? There's sometimes stuff in the marginalia that might be helpful.
jillwheezul
May. 7th, 2008 06:42 pm (UTC)
Re: Details details details
Have you done an in-depth search of bildindex? You can try the expert search in English:
http://www.bildindex.de/rx/apsisa.dll/init?sid={6a290df1-9e7b-440e-b972-d6b9f165b0e5}&cnt=278987&:lang=en

Put your date range of 1350 - 1475 in the period boxes. If you hit search now you will 17931 results, of which many are pieces of architecture etc. For better results put a key phrase into the overall index box. The page is *not* indexed in English, so you will need the German keywords to help you. These are likely to have the best results:

bild
malerei
wandmalerei
freskomalerei
buchkunst
buch

Not all of the results will be German, but the majority will. If you find something interesting and need a hand with the brief translation, write to me wheezul at canby dot com.

The Germans mostly wore the gothic fitted dress like everyone else in Europe, but some of the houppelands are fabu, and a google search of the term kruseler (the "nebuly" headdress) might lead you to others specializing in your time range :)
lorebubeck
May. 7th, 2008 08:03 pm (UTC)
Re: Details details details
Thanks for the hints. I've been playing with that database but my German is weak at best and I was having trouble with what search terms to use. Oy. I have three fitted dresses (thanks to help from Char) that I LOVE, but I really want something that when you look at it you say - "What a nice German gown!" ya know? Perhaps I can convince her to extend to the 16th century. There's tons of stuff there!
tudorlady
May. 7th, 2008 09:14 pm (UTC)
Re: Details details details
Oh, HOW did I know you'd respond to this with eleventy good, specific, helpful things? How, I ask you???

::snk::
attack_laurel
May. 8th, 2008 09:53 am (UTC)
Re: Details details details
I attract all the *best* readers, don'tcha know... 8)
attack_laurel
May. 8th, 2008 09:53 am (UTC)
Re: Details details details
You rock. :)
molly_world
May. 7th, 2008 07:20 pm (UTC)
Re: Details details details
You are SOOO going to take that back when the library books I requested for you come in...your information is in there...I can FEEL it, hahahaha
lorebubeck
May. 7th, 2008 08:04 pm (UTC)
Re: Details details details
Made the scans from the other book you got me, laid it on the counter to bring with and was proptly distracted by little people. Will endevor to remember tomorrow. Lunch?
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