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Give in, Give up, Give out.

Ugh.  The tiles we want for the master bathroom are backordered.  I won't have my master bath until December.  

*grump*

And since I'm in a bad mood, 

enough with the cell phones at events discussion already!  I think we've established that those who do not wish to give up their modern conveniences will find any reason, no matter how convoluted, to justify their decision, and those who hate them will continue to bemoan the loss of courtesy in the Society.  Can we take it as a given that nothing will change?  Thousands of inboxes across the Kingdom thank you.

I think we just need to face up to the fact that we have moved to a culture of "if you don't like it, move" when it comes to doing things that bother other people.  After all, it's not like we can't leave Court when someone decides to take a phone call, is it?  Whining about it isn't really effecting any change, and it's unattractive, to boot. I think we should give up, and go with the flow.  It's fun!  It's easy!  It's a game the whole family can enjoy!

Making an effort is hard, and we shouldn't be asked to do it.  Being told to think of other people's wishes makes the rebellious teenager rear up in all of us, and with good reason.  I mean, really, other people are just being authenticity nazis, and it's about CREATIVE anachronism, you dig?  You know what?  I think the cell phone people have the right idea!  Personally, I'm glad my expectations for the SCA have been lowered so that I don't need to put in any effort myself - all that work was taking up too much of my time.  I'm much happier with a sports bottle of Gatorade and my Lunchables - that "period" cooking was such a drag!  And my nylon chair folds up small, and even has a cupholder so I don't lose my drink!  Hell, I'm even tired of wearing fancy clothes - it's not like I'm going to get any awards for making them, so what's the point?

By the way, I think we shouldn't worry about competitions and prizes any more - everyone gets a cookie.  After all, we've all made an effort, haven't we?  And who's to say which effort is more worthy?  Awards for all!  Everyone wins!  It'll be great!  And I'm quitting judging, and so is everyone else - since it's all okay, there's no need for anyone to decide who has the best stuff.  In fact, it's really not very nice to say thing A is better than thing B, because the effort should be all that matters.  And the level of effort only has to be an "attempt", according to Society law, so any effort more than that is just going to make other people feel bad.  Don't do it!  

I'm hanging up my advice hat, too - anything you want to do is okay by me.  I promise not to tell anyone they're doing it wrong, and I'm going to suggest a moratorium on any advice from Laurels - criticism is never helpful.  From now on, I will always tell you your effort is the best I've ever seen, so that you feel encouraged, and keep playing.

No, really, I mean it.  I think that tie-dye Hawaiian print kilt is fabulous for Court.  I'll recommend you for a Pearl, since you're really bringing out the "creative" aspect of the hobby.  Neon pink Crocs?  Why not coordinate with a neon pink cotehardie?  If they had it, they'd have made the King wear it!  Heck, I think you all should be Laurels!

Now, where's my phone?

(NOTE:  The preceding was a joke - except for the bit about my bathroom tiles being backordered.  Please don't rise up in a mass horde and kill me.  Thank you.)

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kass_rants
Nov. 8th, 2007 12:45 pm (UTC)
Arrrrrrgh!

Me...

In a tree...

With my sniper blunderbuss.

=)
maricelt
Nov. 8th, 2007 01:25 pm (UTC)
I recommend the grape shot for greater scatter, but the rock salt sure does burn.
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patrikia
Nov. 8th, 2007 12:49 pm (UTC)
Thank you for that one.

Just - thank you.
lorebubeck
Nov. 8th, 2007 01:06 pm (UTC)
Oh no you didn't! =)

Frankly I think "vibrate" on the cell phone was the world's best invention! I just put my phone in my pocket and beg folks to "Call me!" =)

Hee hee hee....
kass_rants
Nov. 8th, 2007 01:07 pm (UTC)
You're a naughty girl! LOL
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maricelt
Nov. 8th, 2007 01:23 pm (UTC)
ow... milk reflux, not good. I get to be a Laurel... cool! :>
attack_laurel
Nov. 8th, 2007 02:35 pm (UTC)
Durrr - I just realized I hadn't friended you - and you comment in my journal all the time! All caught up, now! :)
vom_schwarzwald
Nov. 8th, 2007 01:36 pm (UTC)
" I'm much happier with a sports bottle of Gatorade and my Lunchables - that "period" cooking was such a drag! And my nylon chair folds up small, and even has a cupholder so I don't lose my drink! Hell, I'm even tired of wearing fancy clothes - it's not like I'm going to get any awards for making them, so what's the point?"

My FAVORITE part of your post!

Lunchables...heehee.
kass_rants
Nov. 8th, 2007 01:42 pm (UTC)
Dude. Hand me a Powerbar. I gotta watch this...
attack_laurel
Nov. 8th, 2007 02:12 pm (UTC)
If everything goes to plan, someone dumb will post the link to this on the e-mail list in question. At which point, I will rule. 8)
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theodorad
Nov. 8th, 2007 01:56 pm (UTC)
Wow, am I glad I stay off most e-lists. They spiral into these discussions that exemplify "All they tediousness upon me."
attack_laurel
Nov. 8th, 2007 02:13 pm (UTC)
The fact that the archive swelled by thirty posts or so on the matter between yesterday and today speaks volumes. Last I looked, they'd dredged up the old "period glasses" meme.
grnvixen
Nov. 8th, 2007 02:03 pm (UTC)
But pink is period :) :) :).

And keep the bumpy rides coming, I always have a nice cathartic laugh.
isabelladangelo
Nov. 8th, 2007 02:26 pm (UTC)
My cell phone used to play "Bring out your dead"... that's period, right? :-)

I don't mind phones if you are in your/your households pavillion. That's typically were I (and many others) make the "Where the heck are you!?!" calls.

However, if anyone was dumb enough to have their phone on during court and even dumber to ANSWER it while staying in court, I shall beat them...and sic Ginsie on them. Death by doggie kisses is about the same as Chinese Water torture coming out of a hello kitty bucket I'm told...
slythwolf
Nov. 16th, 2007 07:54 pm (UTC)
Unless there's some kind of emergency that someone needs to be able to take calls for (family member in hospital, that sort of thing), I think the rules for cell phones in court ought to be the same as they are in college classes: Turn it off or don't bring it!
dragonazure
Nov. 8th, 2007 02:32 pm (UTC)
I remember when Cuan called Ceridwen into Court and had her spit out her gum, admonishing her that she had not brought enough for everyone.

I wonder if pointedly stopping Court to allow someone to answer and complete their Very Important Call would be effective.

If you can't serve as a good example, you'll have to become a terrible warning.
attack_laurel
Nov. 8th, 2007 02:40 pm (UTC)
I remeber people being called out in the nicest possible way for talking during court, so I think it could be done. :)

Heck, I'd be happy if people ceased to congregate at the back and talk over the proceedings like they don't have to be quiet because they're not sitting down. *grump*

Master Alan Gravesend is my model for courteous cell phone behaviour - he had to carry one for years because he was basically on call all the time. He kept it on vibrate, checked it frequently, and ducked out far away from people to take a call - and he only took the ones he had to take.

If he could manage to be on call without anyone realizing it, other people can too. *shrug*
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hugh_mannity
Nov. 8th, 2007 02:56 pm (UTC)
I'm glad I'm not on that email list!
ornerie
Nov. 8th, 2007 03:29 pm (UTC)
nylon chairs. the bane of my period camp existance....

*sigh*. I think I'm with you on this bandwagon....
xntryk
Nov. 8th, 2007 03:41 pm (UTC)
Oh-oh, do you need coffee or chocolate?


I admit, I do carry my cell phone with me at certain times. Say, if I'm autocratting (since my cell number is the one on the flyer, I feel compelled to help the lost) or when I'm at Gulf Wars (and I don't want to use FRS to contact my sweetie at Scribe's Point when I'm in, oh, al-Mahala or the like).

But in court? Exactly once.

Diamond Wars 2001 -- three weeks after September 11th. Our Baron had already been sent somewhere on orders (though thank God not to Afghanistan), and I was court herald for the Baroness. Bless her heart, she was nervous. I needed to be there... but at the same time, all of us at the TV station were on call in case something ELSE happend (heaven forbid). Yes, it was on vibrate. No, I didn't get the call. But Her Excellency was very kind when I explained why I might have to leave court suddenly if called.

Still -- most of the time, the chirp of a cell phone in court is bothersome. Though, when you're at a just-past Halloween event and someone's phone starts rattling "The Worms Crawl In, The Worms Crawl Out," everyone giggles.
attack_laurel
Nov. 8th, 2007 03:51 pm (UTC)
Nah, I'm just poking fun at the OMG!Oppression!!!!! responses to the original post.

Like I said in my reply to dragonazure, sometimes cells are neccessary (though the walkie-talkie option should be reserved to staff only!). What isn't neccessary is imposing a modern choice on everyone else, and telling them if they don't like it, they can walk away (as one poster did). It's perfectly possible, even in a life-or-death situation, to keep it discreet. Like my friend who used to be on call for an entire multi-billion dollar government agency, it's possible to do it without drawing attention to yourself. :)
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the_thread_lady
Nov. 8th, 2007 04:00 pm (UTC)
A couple of years ago the King was at our small, fall event. A lady's cell phone started to ring during court. (She was in the second row, up front) He looked at her and said "Don't answer that" She took the phone out anyway, without leaving court. He walked over, took the phone from her and answered it with "This is King.... Who is this?" It was the woman's daughter. The King very politely explained that he was trying to hold court, could she call back later? Hung up, returned the phone to the lady, sat down and finished court.

The lady has a good sense of humor and took it well, but she now leaves court when her phone rings.
landverhuizer
Nov. 8th, 2007 04:19 pm (UTC)
That's cute *grins*
lucky that she had a decent sense of humor
Sadly, it likely takes moments like that to make an impression!

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vom_schwarzwald
Nov. 8th, 2007 04:17 pm (UTC)
Actually, now that I went through that list (lordy they have time on their hands) I am now taking bets on how many more posts will appear from *experts* explaining in painful detail the use of vivat...after, of course, Her Grace did a perfect, concise, to the point job of it...
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spranglady
Nov. 8th, 2007 06:46 pm (UTC)
I have only been bad with the cell phone once, and it was completely by accident. At court a couple of years ago, I made damn sure my phone was on vibrate, as I always do. It was in my basket, quiet as a mouse. However, I had NOT deactivated the daily alarm, and for some reason, that was set to 7:30pm, instead of am. The alarm went off, nice and loud and very annoying, and I scrambled to find it. The entire court stopped to wait. :P Very red in the face, I calmly shut it off and said, "To anyone interested, it is now 7:30." The queen thanked me for the announcement, and went on with court. So yeah... I deactivate my alarms now, as well as put the phone on vibrate. :P
chargirlgenius
Nov. 8th, 2007 07:43 pm (UTC)
I've come to realize that lately on the days when I'm bored at work, I just go read your posts instead of stirring my own pot... :-D

My only thought during the whole thing (other than general annoyance at the doom-sayers) is that if you can feel the phone vibrate through your pouch, you're *obviously* not wearing enough layers.
norayn
Nov. 8th, 2007 08:38 pm (UTC)
I missed Crown Tourney so was not present for the 'big event'.

I'm wondering whether these cellular 'offenders' are "young" upstarts ? Let's not 'elevate' these types too soon OK? You know the Lady / Lordship thing.

Vrederun
nobarking
Nov. 9th, 2007 12:01 am (UTC)
Good grief, the people at the Rennfair will act like you're possessed by a demon if you whip out a cell phone (that or they'll try to get their hands on it and talk to God through it) -- I can't IMAGINE what it would be like at an SCA event!

(Of course, in a Werewolf LARP, my theurge has a Wind Spirit on Speed Dial. Right after the Sept Leader and his Pack Alpha. You'd be amazed how often silly Garou forget that instead of wrangling a spirit to send a message or running through the Umbra to warn someone, they can just text the damned Glasswalkers...)
athene1765
Nov. 18th, 2007 03:26 am (UTC)
Found you through one of my favorite SCA clothing geeks. So awesome are you!

I've been in the Society for a little over a year now. It was outside the SCA that I grew from being a mousey whiny pointless human being into the glorious creature I am today.

Ahem.

I've been in the SCA for a year, more or less. I've been lucky enough to be able to afford a few nice things -- a small canvas pavilion, a pretty dress for court, some little black pointy ankle boots -- and I've made myself one or two as well. My chemise is a little sad, but the ten-gore is good enough that the Laurel who taught the class nodded in quite apparently honest approval. Her suggestions for future improvement were gently given and joyfully accepted (personal motto: Please, Lord, tell me what I am doing wrong unless you want me to keep doing it!). I've learned to handsew and embroider and cartridge pleat and fingerbraid and tablet weave and how to poke someone with a rapier. I eat from a wooden bowl and eschew forks and I sit in a rather nice wooden folding chair.

I also leave my big plastic sandals and cellular phone in my pavilion and cannot imagine carrying it to court, let alone answering it there. Heck, I don't even answer it when I'm in a group of people unless it's a call from home, and then it's with heartfelt apologies and backing away.

I don't think, in short, that you're dealing with people who don't get the idea of immersing oneself into a dream of another time. I think you're just dealing with people who are like this all the time. They're nasty to waiters and return digital cameras to Wal-mart after using them for a weekend. They interrupt conversations to talk on their mobile phones about 'oh, nothing special, what's new with you?' They get hammered Sunday night and call in sick to work on busy Monday mornings. They do not get that the world is bigger than them.

...I do talk a lot, don't I.
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